Who was Jesus? This question makes your god sound evil, on the side of evil, the perpetrator of evil, and the enabler of evil. (Otherwise, the patriarchs didn’t have more than one wife, they had one wife plus [whatever the word is for an extra wife… if “wives,” then that renders their marriages as valid]. You then go on to state something about a man having to have sex with the mother first to produce the daughter, and that’s all well and good. If I had not spoken to my wife about it then I believe that it may have become a problem, whereas now, I and my wife feel more comfortable with it and we have more insight and understanding should it ever arise in our lives. 3) admit that in biblical warfare, God “commanded” biblical patriarchs to kill all the survivors including men, women and children. I would presume that if he wants two or more that he should step down from being an Elder. To “lust after” or “covet your neighbour’s wife means to have the desire to have her, not to simply look at her and admit in your mind that she is a beautiful and desirable woman. These studies were performed in Canada, the US, Israel, United Arab Emirates,Africa and Turkey. Can iniquity be found in the him? in your image). I will have to get some printed up. but I saw something in the earlyer hours it took me too read all this about Gospals that have been more recently discovered in tombs and such that bothered me. Your question makes god sound like an idiot. Not smart enough? Not very “equal” for the man, correct? This idea is supported in the documentary “The God Makers”, formerly available on Google Video. If you jam this understanding down her throat, she probably will leave you and when she does, she will take your children with you. This means they aren’t as limited in their choice of sexual/romantic partners. 24 1 Timothy 3:2, 12 – Bishops / Deacons must be husband of one or first wife (Gk G3391 – The KJV translates Strongs G3391 in the following manner: one (62x), first (8x), a certain (4x), a (3x), the other (1x), (Gk: “mia” irregular feminine of G1520; one or first wife i.e. men need marriage. It would be disingenuous, i.e. Why is it important that a man only have one wife? She doesn’t feel like polygyny is a right thing, which is absolutely fine by me. Thanks, everyone above (including all of you who used different email addresses every time you commented to remain anonymous… le sigh) for the great conversation. A reading in the book of Jeremiah and some of the Kings will confirm that. Not surprisingly, Aquila and Priscilla would later find Apollos, after which they “explained to him the way of God more accurately” (Acts 18:26). Perhaps the easiest answer is that it wasn’t the sort of relationship that I wanted to have. Old testament customs…..anyway it was said that he did’nt love his wife even though they had a lot of children together. If you are, then I wonder why you are challenging Bill M., who has also strongly demonstrated his position as a friend of polygyny as well. And many Shephardic Jews had more than one wife as well. Thanks for the comment and scriptures. We are only told the name of one of Eliphaz’s wives, but what we are not told is that God disapproved of his family structure. As far as mainstream Christian denominations are concerned, I doubt any of them advocate or allow polygyny. Also, if that’s the argument you want to use, then wouldn’t the high rate of divorce within the church be a fine argument against monogamy? Galatians 2:1-3; 5:1-11; 6:11-16; 1 Corinthians 7:17-20; Colossians 2:8-12; Philippians 3:1-3 all indicate that the covenant of circumcision has now been done away with. In general that is going to be more extremist types than more libertarian live and let live types. The New Testament affirms this repeatedly and hammers it home with the affirmation that the woman was made from man for man. goodluck and may the blessings of your god be with you :). For many, polygamy is associated with greater capacity for love and propensity of choice. There is no other event in history in the last 2000 years that come close to fulfilling 1 Tim 4:1 other than forbidding men and women to marry when two women are involved in the mix. Maachah, Caleb’s concubine, bare Sheber, and Tirhanah. I however had to beat myself back into shape and understand that I cannot marry all women and yet atractive women will always exist outside my domain.But as a man of God I control myself and keep my attraction in check. This is what I think Paul means when he says to both “submit to one another” and “wives, submit to your husbands” in Ephesians 5:21-22. actually the verses in first corint are chapter 5:1-13 sorry. Think of the difficulty getting just one polygamous person on a national television series. My sincerest apologies. Further, Jesus’ depicted Himself as the polygynous bridegroom, taking unto Himself the five wise virgins in marriage simultanously. From that point on the Word refers to David and his two wives.. Ahinoham and Abigail. Fine. Wouldn’t he be an illegitimate child, if polygamy was a sin? As a bit of closure regarding what Stephen said earlier, I contacted the others pastors of his church regarding the matter (yes, Stephen is a pastor, and his church is linked to from his name on his comment; I have met Stephen in person), and the head of staff wrote back defending Stephen, praising what he said here as a great “contribution” to the conversation. One country after another began outlawing multiple wives. If Mathew 5 and 19 give a man permission to dump his wife and remarry if she commits adultery, then these passages are in contradiction of all the other passages that speak of divorce and remarriage. The moral law has never been repealed and is still in force today. Calling motives into question is rather silly. sometimes its just not the time and in such cases you need to be careful how you walk. and he is to put here on check ,he is to control her , sorry femenist it in the word. I am talking about mainstream Christians (and Mormons), not fundamentalists obviously. The Bible as the Qur’an says to treat the woman good and equal. Jesus was not telling them anything new, here. We are commanded to follow the law of the land in which we live. He is our only hope, and there is nothing we can do to save ourselves. Romes? 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. RO 7: 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. Multiply that by the difficulty of another person, then another, and so on. It also wasn’t a preclusion of polygyny in the eyes of Abraham, father of God’s chosen nation… of David, a man after God’s own heart… and Solomon, the wisest man who has ever lived… and Jesus, who depicted Himself in parable as a bridegroom marrying ten virgins… and the Father, who depicted Himself as being married to two separate nations… and so on. Beyond that, it isn’t important, ultimately, in the decision making process, what she FEELS about it. And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the Lord loved him. What a great wife Priscilla must have been. Nazis are bad. If you look back to when I first opined concerning bi-sexuality I think you will find that I was not in any way confusing ‘desires both’ and ‘desires either’, I was explaining how desires both is going to be common because the nature of the relationships are different and fulfill different needs. No he loves us as much as he loves men. Taking a second wife was one way to try to solve the problem (Gen. 16:2), as was levirate marriage. maybe you should hold a conversation on what if fornication next since we never have an account of being between two single people in the bibly to my knowledge. Bible verses about Multiple Wives. Emma wanted to keep this horrible scandal a secret & get her out of the house when suddenly Joseph gets a revelation from God that all men should be polygamist & that all women must submit to it or burn in hell. Polygamy then originated with the son of rebellious Cain (Gen. 4:16-19). I went with a similar question to a United Baptist church (it had to do with divorce). For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. This principle can be easily understood using the imagery, “A head can have more than one member, but a member cannot have more than one head”. A “Scripture alone” method of establishing doctrine all but requires us to accept polygyny as an acceptable practice. Which matches precisely with God’s endorsement of David to his son (see the following item). You cannot serve two masters. I have heard of people who move specifically to be near a solid church, and trust God to provide a job. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David”, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God”, “I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her”, “Do not urge me to leave you or to return from following you. Should I talk to my Wife? It is spoken within the context of becoming like a little child. dear Bill M. we are not twisting the Word. (Gal. Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/moreboys.htm <—more women then men. There are marks of a true church…the administration of baptism and communion, the correct and authoritative teaching of the Gospel, the proper administration of discipline. Thanks Proudly Christian feminist! (It is no trouble for me to mention them again since they are vital to this discussion.). A bisexual is a person attracted to both males and females for sexual encounters. The old testament is a history of how God was preparing humankind for Christ’s coming, teaching them gradually the correct conduct. When God called Abraham to leave everything he’d ever known, remember that so did Sarah (Gen 12:1-6). However, by your own admission, they were inspired, meaning there is room for error without implying error on the part of the subject. And also, do you have any Bible passages that support your claim of accountability and the lack of being a sin? And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”. and we both laughed. 3. (What the Jewish rabbis turned it into is of little concern to me; there was a lot that was embellished in Judaism that isn’t “Sola Scriptura,” just as there is a lot within Christianity that has little to do with the Scriptures. Ungodly vows can definitely be broken, but it must be born in mind that monogamy is not exactly against God’s law (Isaac was monogamous). That day is coming in America rather quickly, so whether you agree with it or not, you’ll have to deal with it then. The judicial / civil law pertains to those laws which are culturally specific to ancient Israel. But, someone needed to care for them. That is how your English translation reads. There were many other ceremonial laws as well, and this included things like dietary regulations (e.g. 2CH 24: 2 Joash did what was right in the eyes of the LORD all the years of Jehoiada the priest. That doesn’t change the fact that many people throughout the world even today are very happy in a polygynous situation. As for the laws of thermodynamics… They prove an outside creator? 14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. Hi, I still think that both polygyny should be equally as valid in today’s society as polyandry. I Tim. I’ll drop you an email also for some more advice as it is much appreciated. None. In fact, he is submitting to the highest biblical authorities in existence. If he’s that irrelevant, then I can’t help but wonder why you brought him into the conversation at all, Charlene. What we now know of modern genetics (the same genetics that make evolution a near certainty) shows us that it isn’t natural in neither the animal nor certainly the human kingdom. I do wonder how you get around the idea of the man and the woman, married, becoming one soul in the afterlife. Any further nonsense on these issues should be able to be backed up with SCRIPTURES. Over the next 20 years a great number of counters came out, but it is very well worth noting that the most prominent and successful counters was essentially ‘women are not worth keeping, polygamy would be an economic burden on men’. Women become even more beautiful, not less. we can have a book, that discribes gods doings, but we are not meant to understand god, just the book, and what it meant. This is not “Old Testament baggage,” this is Scripture, through and through. For example : I’ll bet if you were God, you would have made sure this anti-second wife law was spelled out in such a way that there would have been no doubt in anyone’s mind, eh? I stand in the presence of God, and I was sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news” (Luke 1:19) and “because you did not believe my words, which will be fulfilled in their time” (Luke 1:20b). You should read the rest of chapter thirteen to get the full picture of Abijah; when you do, you’ll come away with the distinct impression that God was on his side. It was not about sex or being a pimp and still isn’t. These sons are called the “tribes of Israel” throughout the Bible. Not one of the apostles was a polygamist. She still believes it is a sin and caused through lust. For the point of the matter, these same people should be asked “EXACTLY HOW MANY POLYGAMY FAMILIES DO THEY ACTUALLY KNOW AND HAVE TALKED TO THE WOMEN IN THOSE MARRIAGES?” I can’t count on one hand how many relationships that practice polygamy. The Jews of Jesus’ day understood that it was not unlawful for a man to have more than one wife. On this Psalms 62:8 is my favourite. I was under the impression that there was only one, associated with Reverend Butt, which I mentioned in the previous posting. Thanks. “There is salvation found in no one else”. Demonstrate it, or withhold your judgment from me. For one thing, the Catholic Church does not forbid priests to marry. Unbelievers don’t care what God’s Word says and Christians interpret it to suit their beliefs. Many godly men had one wife (Adam, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Boaz, Job, etc) and those who had many wives had much heartache as a result of it. Bisexuality is unrelated to polygamy. But saying that, it would still be interesting to see the views of the commentors in this thread (be them for or against polygyny). f**k Nathan. (Romans 14:4, The Scriptures), And the messengers who did not keep their own principality, but left their own [idios] dwelling, He has kept in everlasting shackles under darkness for the judgment of the great day. Satan didn’t give up then and he still hasn’t settled his score even todate (most people do not realise this – its sad). (Leviticus 10:1-3). But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” Rick thank you for the correct post and mentioning of the men who married more than one wife. As I stated, I was lowballing the odds. And you’re right, Keturah came into the picture after Sarah’s death, but was it after Hagar’s also? I did not adhere to that in my heart. A lie. As the heathens say, “you are making baby Jesus cry.”. Never heard of him. Where did this idea come from that “you are no longer free” to become one with someone else? There are clearer Scriptures, such as Mark 10:11, which says: And he said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her.”. What does it have to say about God giving multiple wives to David? It appears that you have taken offense to my questions, when none was unintended. If there are multiple wives, does this mean that the one man becomes one with his (for example) 40 wives? If it’s not hurting anybody, why not? Men and women are so distinct in their intimacy, both emotional and physical, that it should not be surprising that a woman that wants both should want them each independently. There’s one. I didn’t refer to “acts” and I don’t know what that means. That’s the score! Wouldn’t a better approach to stopping these atrocities from happening to someone be to have the perpetrator die, instead of the victim? Even if we take the definition to remove God from the bond, it is still an open declaration of a bond between a man and woman (homosexual marriage of any kind being ignored for this argument). It’s also fine to beat the slaves, so long as they don’t die within a day or two of the beating. In Judaism, he is the founding father of the covenant of the pieces, the special relationship between the Hebrews and God; in Christianity, he is the spiritual progenitor of all believers, Jewish or Gentile; and in Islam he is seen as a link in the chain of … All the apostles were monogamous, and anicent texts teach us that the apostles who actually lived with Jesus taught that monogamy was the ideal taught to them by Jesus. I’ll start with something kinda funny; Why a man would even want a wife is a mystery, why a man would want a second wife is a bigamistry! I spent several years attempting to come up with that exegesis myself; failing to do so, I conceded the argument. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. What makes any woman a great wife is that, like Elizabeth, she is full of the Holy Spirit. “His own life”, “his own body”, “seek its own”, “his own burden” – all implying exclusive ownership of the object in question. David: You misunderstand. The commands to marry in particular are confined to “Levirate Law” and the laws concerning the seduction of an unbetrothed virgin. Now, try out dating THAT! If Jesus is the Truth, could a lie really testify of Him? 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